Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by SSSdave » Sun May 31, 2020 9:04 pm

WD does raise a point of concern for abuse that occurred in the past on recreation dot gov. Those wealthy that submit lots of permits across the summer because the fees are trivial for such people and then just use a few of them with the rest no shows. That is why permit fees have been changed in places to reduce that practice by charging both for a reservation and per person per night. One way they could reduce this in a telephone/mail in only system is by requiring those with permit reservations to go to the recreation dot gov site within say a week of a trip to verify they still plan to go with whatever group size and only then are allowed to actually print out the actual print at home. That won't stop those that decide to bail at the last minute, however would catch most. Currently there is little motivation for no shows.








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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by chulavista » Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:14 am

It would be more effective to study the no-show rate and increase the number of permits based on sampling.

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by Wandering Daisy » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:08 am

I know many backpackers, who are not even "rich", who simply would not bother with a refund under $20. And if 2-3 members of a group were to no-show at the trailhead, again, it is not worth the bother to apply for a refund. Some agency managers don't care- the less use the easier for them. The has always been misuse of the permit system but I think the new system is ripe for even more misuse.

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by thegib » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:30 am

"Rich" haha. Rich is having the time to go backpacking.

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by counselor » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:08 am

Can anyone access/reserve walk up permits at the moment? Nothing is showing up aside from the normal advance reservation quota.

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by freestone » Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:27 am

I think what you might be seeing now are the Walkup permits available for 14 days forward plus any reservable permits not already taken months ago. If nothing is showing on today or tomorrow.....14 days, then they are all taken.
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RV & Private Campgrounds Re-open 5/29

Post by maverick » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:22 pm

Mono County:
COVID-19 Update: Private Campgrounds, RV Parks, and Lodging

Private Campgrounds and RV Park Reopening; Board of Supervisors Meeting to Discuss Lodging Postponed

MONO COUNTY, Calif. (May 28, 2020) – The Mono County Board of Supervisors’ Special Meeting to discuss lodging originally scheduled for Friday, May 29th at 9:00 a.m. has been canceled. This cancelation does not affect the release of guidance by the Mono County Health Officer regarding the reopening of private campgrounds and RV parks in Mono County, effective Friday, May 29th.

During Tuesday’s Board of Supervisors’ meeting, Acting County Administrator Bob Lawton agreed with an interpretation made by Inyo County that the reopening of private campgrounds and RV parks is not prohibited by current State orders, and that with the recent rescission of Mono County’s local orders, private campgrounds and RV parks may now reopen, subject to public health guidance. The Board agreed that reopening, with modifications, should occur effective Friday, May 29th. The proposed timeline allowed for the State to respond with any specific guidance or concerns, and provided private campgrounds and RV parks with a few days to prepare for reopening.

The State of California is expected to modify the Governor’s Shelter-in-Place Executive Order in the near future to allow some commercial camping in order to mitigate the adverse effects of increasing unregulated camping on public lands in areas like the Eastern Sierra. Those campground operators who choose to reopen prior to the approval of the California Department of Public Health and without accompanying guidance are reminded that all businesses must follow COVID-19 related county and state regulations, including the creation of a pandemic reopening plan and self-certification (accessed here).

In addition, Mono County Health Officer Dr. Tom Boo provided additional interim guidance in an order issued today (accessed here), restricting campground operators from advertising, and limiting campground capacity to 75 percent of normal, pending the expected guidance from the state, which may be released next week.

In addition to the discussion about private campgrounds and RV parks, Board of Supervisors Chair Stacy Corless (District 5) proposed the establishment of an Ad Hoc Committee (Committee) consisting of Supervisor John Peters (District 4) and Supervisor Jennifer Kreitz (District 1) charged with the development of a strategic plan for reopening lodging within Mono County. Following Board consent to establish the Committee and return to the Board on Friday, May 29th to present a plan, County Counsel Stacey Simon advised Supervisor Peters to seek advice from the Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) regarding a potential conflict of interest related to his personal employment in the local lodging industry. Supervisor Peters has reached out to the FPPC, which has advised that, unless a specific exception applies, Supervisor Peters would be prohibited from working or voting on a lodging plan. Supervisor Peters, with assistance from County Counsel, is currently assessing the applicability of the exception. A final decision is expected within the week.

At the regular meeting on Tuesday, June 2 at 1pm, the Board of Supervisors will continue discussion and possible action related to the COVID-19 crisis response. The Board understands the importance and urgency of providing county business owners and community members with a plan to reopen lodging and to continue economic recovery during the COVID-19 crisis. The meeting agenda and details will be available here.

California’s stay-at-home order is still in effect, and non-essential travel should be avoided in order to slow the spread of the coronavirus. A complete list of private and public campgrounds can be accessed here. Campers are advised to check with individual campgrounds regarding reopening plans prior to making arrangements or reservations.
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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by counselor » Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:47 pm

freestone wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:27 am
I think what you might be seeing now are the Walkup permits available for 14 days forward plus any reservable permits not already taken months ago. If nothing is showing on today or tomorrow.....14 days, then they are all taken.
I’ve been refreshing all morning, starting just after midnight, and the reservation page has stayed the same. Walk up permits are not available online right now for me.

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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by freestone » Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:13 pm

counselor wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:47 pm
freestone wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:27 am
I think what you might be seeing now are the Walkup permits available for 14 days forward plus any reservable permits not already taken months ago. If nothing is showing on today or tomorrow.....14 days, then they are all taken.
I’ve been refreshing all morning, starting just after midnight, and the reservation page has stayed the same. Walk up permits are not available online right now for me.
This is a screenshot of what I see available for Bishop Pass (example) next week. Are you seeing the same thing?
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Re: Some Eastern Sierra Closures through June

Post by counselor » Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:00 pm

freestone wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:13 pm
counselor wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:47 pm
freestone wrote:
Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:27 am
I think what you might be seeing now are the Walkup permits available for 14 days forward plus any reservable permits not already taken months ago. If nothing is showing on today or tomorrow.....14 days, then they are all taken.
I’ve been refreshing all morning, starting just after midnight, and the reservation page has stayed the same. Walk up permits are not available online right now for me.
This is a screenshot of what I see available for Bishop Pass (example) next week. Are you seeing the same thing?

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Yes - that's what I see. That's what has been listed for weeks - those are not the walk-up permits those are the permits that can be reserved in advance. You'll see that some trails have the green "w" for walk-up available but you can't actually click/reserve them. Other trails, such as North Fork of Big Pine Creek, have not put up any walk-up permits (I've been monitoring every hour for the last week or so).

It's a bit frustrating because you try to follow the rules and be prepared when you are told walk-up permits will be released (June 1), but at this point unless something changes with their website I'm probably going to end up rolling the dice and trying to walk in with a permit to a nearby trail.

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