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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby overheadx2 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 2:52 pm

Dave, Like I said, I'm as new to this as you so you may be better off getting your info from some others on this site that have put a lot of time in already. That said, the set up I went with was the Fritschi Vipec Evo binding on a Voile BC supercharger ski. A little more high end than I need but at half price I could afford it.The skis I have for sale at Gear Xchange in bishop are Fritschi Freeride Pro size XL and small on community skis (local sierra company). I bought the community skis used for $200 from eastern sierra mountain guides and am trying to sell them for the same now since I didn't care for the track bindings. If you are interested in those skis you can see them there, and I'd be happy to reduce the price for you. I'm headed up there Next month and will be grabbing them if they don't sell. I can send you some pics later when I get home.
I went with the BC skis since they have scales and can go up hill with out skins so long as its less than say 20 degrees. The purist probably will have something to say about the AT bindings and the scales, but I haven't been pure in a long time and was really just trying to go hiking in the winter. The BC skis allow you to tour without taking skins on and off all the time. Phil
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby DAVELA » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:57 am

Thanks Phil...if in bishop ill check em out...i guess i dont know the difference between bc and AT...im not interested in downhill blasting or mogul skiing just climbing up and sliding down leisurely.I find the trek back with snowshoes a bit tedious/slow-would be so nice to just glide back to the car!
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby overheadx2 » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:47 am

Davela, I feel your pain since there is no where close to us to look at XC skis and bindings. You are always welcome to come by and take a look at my set up, and even borrow my 2 year old BC NNN set up so long as you can fit into a size 13 boot. I used my 80 mm BC skis last year with BC nnn bindings and realized that was not going to work on any thing more than fire roads or groomed tracks. After using those for a season, I realized I needed to significantly upgrade, and I'm glad I did. This season with my new set up, I was able to hike almost any where i wanted and ski down easily.
The way I have it figured (I may be off a little since I am only one step ahead of you) is that most Back country xc skis are just regular powder skis with either tele/three pin, track and AT bindings on them. Skis with a BC in the name means that they have scales. This allows for up hill traction to about 20 degrees without putting on skins. Xc skis with out the BC in the name are just normal powder skis with out scales. For example Voile makes a supercharger ski as well as a supercharger BC.
Here's what i think i know about bindings. Tele / three pin are nice for touring since the boots seem to be a little more comfy, but very little to no boot release ability. Going down hill on those bindings is a whole new animal and needs to be learned. Track bindings are basically regular ski bindings that are hinged for walking. When you ski down hill, you simply lock the whole binding in place, lock your boot flex and ski like your on a regular hill. They are great for down hill since the release mechanism is the same as a regular binding. The down side is they are heavy and clack a lot as you walk. AT bindings are extremely light and have 2 pins on either side of the toe and your boot is hinged from that attachment. There is another piece at the heal that can lock your heal into place when you go down hill similar to a regular down hill binding. The problem has been the lack of boot release. The new ones that I just bought now have a relatively good release mechanism, but not as good as a track binding. Others can chime in and correct any mis inf that Ive put out there. Phil
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby DAVELA » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:07 pm

Thanks Phil!Yes i think its the AT with2 pin setup that i want.I also dont want clacking noises which i kind of get when going back down on snowshoes.I rentedy xc skis from eastside last year and it was beautiful going uphill and a disaster going down.
There always drawbacks to whatever system you choose so i have to consider that.With snowshoes i can go anywhere,no planned route per se.With skis i think you have to sort of know in advance what terrain you ll be facing and whether its doable...i digress.In january i went up to blue lake from sabrina basin and no way i could ve done with the route i did.
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby alpinemike » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:02 pm

Yes Phil you got that all right. I did a lot of research on this subject and am very happy with my set up. My skis are not scaled since I use them at the resort. They are also on the heavier side for a true AT ski. Eventually I will get a lighter scaled ski for more serious touring.

I used a frame style binding and knew it was way too heavy so I went to the 2 pin Tech style binding. You refer to that as an AT binding, but I would say the proper term is Tech AT binding. That way there's no confusion between frame style AT bindings and Tech style ones. The Tech style is the only way to go and all of the new bindings ski incredibly well downhill and have release values that are certified. They have come a long way since the originals. I honestly could feel no difference skiing downhill on my tech bindings versus a traditional alpine binding.
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby Cross Country » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:35 pm

Slo pitch softball - the most social sport
Surfing - the most competitive sport. If you don't win (you catching this wave instead of several other stronger paddlers than you) you aren't allowed to participate (catch the wave). Don't win, don't play.
Golf - the most frustrating sport.
Backpacking -the hardest work sport with a great reward (fishing and your memories).
Peak bagging, JMT bagging, PCT bagging - the most impressive. (Why else would anyone do something that is so physically and mentally difficult and not get paid money)? PS: I'm not very materialistic.
Cross country skiing - just hard work. Nothing else (maybe chest beating).
Downhill skiing - playing. Just plain playing and pleasure and fun. Lots of people have trouble with fun.
If you need to prove something, downhill skiing might not be for you. It's only fun, nothing else.
I believe these, but let it be said that most of what I write is just entertaining myself and obviously my opinion.
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Re: any other skiers on the board?

Postby overheadx2 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:15 pm

Thanks for the correction Mike. What I have are tech bindings. I took my BC skis to a local hill to try them out on some down hill before getting out in the wilderness. To be honest, I didn't notice much of a difference between them and my regular powder ski. They may have been slightly slower, but there different seem to be any difference in the edges.
Dave, don't be discouraged by the regular XC NNN skis. I am a pretty good skier, and couldn't control those things downhill to save my life. The AT set up is just like regular skis and I'm pretty sure if I could do it on shoes, I could do it on AT skis. If you get a chance, head to Mammoth Mountaineering and rent a set of AT skis.
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